D.C. Church Hosts Dictator’s Associate Antoine Rutayisire

“Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.”

Church of the Resurrection, a Washington D.C. parish of PEAR USA, is hosting Rwandan Anglican Antoine Rutayisire on April 29th and 30th to discuss “a biblical vision for reconciliation.” Who is Rutayisire? According to Rwandan journalist Godwin Agaba, Rutayisire is the man whose wife hit Agaba with her Rav4 after he published a story that angered Rwanda’s dictatorship. He is vice president of the National Unity and Reconciliation Commission (NURC), a position inside the Rwandan police state.

Rutayisire is frequently seen at the side of Rwanda’s murderous tyrant, Paul Kagame, usually in a fawning posture. See below:

Rutayisire and Kagame

Rutayisire and Kagame

Bishop Rucyahana with the Dictator of Rwanda

Rutayisire, third from the left

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With the First Lady

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Applauding the Tyrant

Rutayisire appeared at the infamous prayer breakfast in January where Kagame boasted obliquely of assassinating Patrick Karegeya, saying things like:

We should not be blamed for those whose interest is to destroy what Rwandans have built. Those who criticize Rwanda know how far they go to protect their own nation. Those who forget how far they have come from should remember they cannot put themselves above nation and people of Rwanda.

Instead of being invited to teach unwitting young people a pack of lies about reconciliation in Rwanda, Rutayisire should be defrocked and excommunicated for aiding and abetting a dictator. Where is Rwanda’s Janani Luwum? Shame on Church of the Resurrection for stooping to this new low.

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  1. Rutikanga, BernardApril 17, 2014 at 4:07 pmYou surely are after Rwandans and mostly godly men. There is no way you can ever have peace of heart! You better be sure that you are not attacking innocent lives and people.Reply
    • JMApril 17, 2014 at 4:22 pmNotice that I am allowing you free speech here Professor, in contrast to your own nation where singers and radio station managers are imprisoned on a whim. Try posting up some anti Kagame comments in Rwanda and see what happens.
      Godly men do not praise a dictator who slaughters Hutu in the DRC, has opponents beheaded and killed in other nations, tortures his own people via the DMI, and rules with an iron fist.
      Instead of dealing in generalities, you should get specific, because right now you are talking in platitudes. But I don’t expect a reply from you, you will probably continue to evade my comments.Reply
  2. Rutayisire AntoineApril 20, 2014 at 1:21 pmI don’t remember ever meeting you despite your lies about having been hit by my wife who has never driven a car, has never owned a car and has never met you. For a target you surely chose the wrong person! If you want a verbal fight, look for someone else, somewhere else. I am a pastor and I have forgiven those who murdered my people, it will not be a big task to forgive a slanderer who has deliberately chosen to murder my personality! shalom. Antoine RutayisireReply
    • JMApril 22, 2014 at 1:45 amPastor Rutayisire, I assume this is you despite the fact that you listed your daughter’s email address on the comment form.
      There seems to be some confusion as you are addressing me as if I am the person who your wife allegedly hit with a Rav4, when in fact that was (Tutsi) journalist Godwin Agaba. Perhaps the confusion is due to your daughter passing this post along to you and you responding via her, rather than directly. Nevertheless, the person you are addressing is Mr. Agaba, a refugee who fled your country fearing for his life, as three more journalists have done just today. Mr. Agaba, who is not a regime insider, has provided an account of his accident that is very specific. It would make no sense for him to randomly select your wife as a target for this story for no reason at all. Nevertheless, I leave it to him to discuss the alleged accident with you.
      But leaving that entire matter to the side, an equally serious subject is your (a) role within the police state as part of NURC, and (b) your appearances with Paul Kagame, particularly at this year’s Prayer Breakfast, at which he boasted about killing Rwandan exiles. United States Representative Ed Royce recently said:Any functioning and responsible democracy allows the voices of opposition to be heard. Yet in Rwanda there is a systematic effort to silence – by any means necessary – the voices of those who question the regime in Kigali.
      As you know, Patrick Karegeya, a prominent Rwandan opposition figure and former high ranking government official, was killed in South Africa earlier this year. Last week, armed gunmen attacked the home of another popular Rwandan opposition figure in South Africa, Faustin Kayumba Nyamwasa. This latest attack marks the third assassination attempt against Kayumba in recent years, and has led to the expulsion of Rwandan diplomats from South Africa. Paul Ruseabagina, the well-known Rwandan humanitarian and anti-genocide activist, has told me of attempts to intimidate and threaten him. Karegya’s murder and the numerous assassination attempts on Kayumba are just the most recent examples of the many Rwandan dissidents who have been killed, exiled, tortured, and unjustly imprisoned over the years.
      Rather than condemning targeted attacks against popular opposition figures, President Paul Kagame publicly celebrates them, many times falling just short of taking personal credit. Even while denying accusations of official involvement in the Karegeya assassination, President Kagame told the press, “I actually wish Rwanda did it. I really wish it.” Consistently in public remarks, President Kagame indicates that there will be “consequences” for those who question his authority. During an official visit to Rwanda by Maina Kiai, a U.N. Special Rapporteur tasked with examining a country’s freedom of peaceful assembly, found that “peaceful public disagreement with the [Rwandan] government is equivalent to criminality.”I could add to this a litany of evil acts so long that it would take pages, but I am satisfied that you know what Kagame has done. Given the essentially evil nature of his actions, your participation and silence in the face of this evil violates Scriptures such as Romans 1.32 and Ezekiel 3.18. I appeal to you as a minister of Jesus Christ (who is the Lord over Paul Kagame), that you end your silence in the face of RPF evil and speak up like Janani Luwum.Reply
  3. HadassaApril 20, 2014 at 6:43 pmARIKO ANTOINE MANA ..SHYUUHUUU, UBU KOKO UREMEYE USHYIGIKIYE KAGAME, UPFANYE NA KAGAME.!!!KANDI UTAREBYE NEZA USHOBORA NO KUZANARIMBUKA NUKOMEZA GUSHYIGIKIRA UMWICANYI UBIZI NEZA KO YAMAZE ABANTU! IHANE IBYO AGUKORESHA BYOSE! WARI UMUGABO WO GUHAMYA YESU,ARIKO NONEHO KAGAME ARAKUGAMBURUJE!IMANA IZABIKUBAZA ANTOINE![Rough translation: but Anthony… Ohhh God!! You have really accepted to support Kagame and die with him? If you don’t be careful you will go to hell if you continue supporting a killer yet you know that he killed many people! Repent for being used by him! You were a man to testify for Jesus but now Kagame has diverted you.]Reply
  4. Rutayisire JovanisApril 22, 2014 at 8:07 amJK, this is really absurd. When Agaba posted about my mother hitting him, i asked him to scan and email me the police report and the bible he claims was given to him, he never did. I asked him what police station so that i can go there and retrieve the report, still nothing.
    As of you, one, my father is no longer the VP of the NURC. Two, he is alongside the president in those pictures, because he is the chair person of the Rwanda Leader’s Fellowship. Which unlike your false accusations of my father, puts our country in prayer every single day.
    3. He used my email account because we failed to log in with his and mine was already logged in from my previous exchanges with Agaba on this platform.
    So whatever you are trying to say here simply doesn’t make sense. Please find somebody else to tarnish, not my Father.Reply
    • JMApril 22, 2014 at 11:01 pmIt is true that we have not seen documents from Mr. Agaba, however, consider these points:
      1. He had to flee the country overnight to flee imprisonment / assassination just like the three journalists did this week. I doubt he brought all those papers with him when he was fleeing the country on foot.
      2. If this was a government inspired hit on him, there is no way the records are sitting in a police station! There is no rule of law in Rwanda, so we should expect whatever the dictator wants to exist in terms of records of this alleged attempt on his life. We can tell from the insane Kizito Mihigo situation that this government is capable of anything.
      With that said, I hope he turns up these records. However, even if he does, I doubt that you would believe him.
      Concerning your father and Kagame, staying silent in the face of evil is a great evil in itself. Sitting and applauding a man who tortures, kills and invades is not what our Lord commands us to do. It would be like Augustin Nshamihigo sitting at a table with Habyiramana in the early 90’s and applauding him. Particularly when he is boasting about killing a man who has kids your age that I have met, Elvis and Portia, who now have no father due to his insane jealousy. The Apostle Paul condemned people who, “Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.” Giving approval to a murderous man like Paul Kagame is a sin.Reply
      • Jodie SargentApril 29, 2014 at 12:17 pmI am weighing in on this because I draw the line on my family being attacked by baseless allegations. If Agaba was hit by Penina he should produce the police report that prooves that. As far as I know , sir, he has consistantly refused to do that. Bye the way Im curious as to how a prson who at the time of Agabas accusation neither owned a car or had a liscense to drive could have hit him. I have done a bit of research on the gentleman who has spent so much time engaging in slander against Pastor Rutayisire and the Anglican Province of Rwanda and her partners in the United States. I was actually not all that shocked to find out you used to be an Episcopal priest in a parish now working in academia. Im wondering WHY you a presumably intelligent and Christian man would choose to take alleged facts and inuendo to make baseless attacks on a man with one of the best reputations in all of Rwanda. What are you hoping to gain. What is in it for you? Have you even met Pastor Rutayisire? Have you ever made an HONEST and through attempt to interact with him directly on the issues that allegedly concern you or are you just choosing to shoot blanks?Reply
        • An ObserverApril 29, 2014 at 1:02 pmRE: ” I have done a bit of research on the gentleman who has spent so much time engaging in slander against Pastor Rutayisire and the Anglican Province of Rwanda and her partners in the United States. I was actually not all that shocked to find out you used to be an Episcopal priest in a parish now working in academia.”I can attest that you are VERY much mistaken, for I know exactly you JM is and you have his profession and age completely wrong … therefore by aristotelian logic, you’ve actually violated the law of non-contradiction, you tell someone to stop because this individual not met someone, then you produce verifiable for me inaccurate information in the form of a slander. There’s a Biblical name for this too, but proving logical errors is less charged emotionally and this thread already is running high on emotions on both sides of this issue from Rwanda commenters.

          This thread is one of the more surreal things I’ve read in a very long time, I am amazed at the repeated attempts to try to “win” using same failed approach as before.Reply
        • JMApril 29, 2014 at 8:59 pmHi Jodie. Before I comment, let me say that I you quickly submitted six or so comments, some of which I have let through. My experience so far on this thread is that there is not much conversation, instead, people are picking and choosing what to respond to and what to ignore. So I will try to respond to your first comments, but I am not going to chase endless rabbit trails or repeat things that are already provided elsewhere on the blog. With that said, let me respond to several of your comments (note that your quotes are in curly braces):
          [1] Godwin should produce the police report. Yes, I would love that, but as he fled the country, I am in doubt as to whether or not he thought to take it with him when he walked over the border.
          [2] {Im curious as to how a prson who at the time of Agabas accusation neither owned a car or had a liscense to drive could have hit him} This seems pretty easy to answer speculatively. If the government wanted Godwin dead, why not use someone who was virtually untraceable? I’m not saying that is the case, but not owning a car or having a license is no big impediment to using a car. Rav4’s are certainly available in Rwanda, see http://www.nyamasheke.gov.rw/index.php?id=1111
          [3] {I was actually not all that shocked to find out you used to be an Episcopal priest in a parish now working in academia.} Ah, not quite. I was never a priest or clergy of any kind and I do not work in academia, thanks.
          [4] {Im wondering WHY you a presumably intelligent and Christian man would choose to take alleged facts and inuendo to make baseless attacks on a man with one of the best reputations in all of Rwanda.} I will elaborate on this below, but if you read the blog, you will understand the reason. It is about friendship with Paul Kagame, the Idi Amin of our day. You can take Godwin’s story right out of the picture, Pastor Rutayisire’s role in NURC and his promotion of a false narrative about Rwanda, coupled with a failure to rebuke a tyrant, are why I wrote about him.
          [5] {What are you hoping to gain. What is in it for you?} I am not hoping to gain anything and all that is in it for me is grief and the loss of friends. I am trying to warn PEAR USA, ACNA and the watching world about our alliance with state-aligned churches in dictatorships. I fear that “Israel’s watchmen are blind, they all lack knowledge” when it comes to Rwanda. If no one speaks up, we repeat the same mistakes that Roger W. Bowen highlighted here: http://alivingtext.com/the-1994-genocide-from-an-anglican-perspective-2/
          [6] { Have you even met Pastor Rutayisire? Have you ever made an HONEST and through attempt to interact with him directly on the issues that allegedly concern you } I have not met him, but I would love to sit down with him and someone like Theogene Rudasingwa and Gerald Gahima, both former members of the wicked Rwandan government, to discuss the reality of Rwanda in contrast to fairy tales. In terms of communication, you can see my interaction with the Pastor and his daughter on this thread. Do you think it has been productive? Will they even utter the word “Kagame”?
          [7] {A woman of integrity like Penina wou;d not say she didnt do something if she did.} I can’t speak for Penina at all, knowing nothing of her, but to speak in general, a person “of integrity” can certainly be capable of anything, it’s called original sin. We are all capable of cursing on the way to church and smiling when we arrive, or carrying on affairs while holding down the pulpit (see http://www.christianitytoday.com/gleanings/2014/april/popular-pastor-resigns-moral-failure-bob-coy-calvary-chapel.html). I talked about this a bit here: http://alivingtext.com/christians-and-critical-thinking/
          None of us wants to believe that our friends and family do something bad, but as Christians, we of all people should know that we are capable of saying we did not do something that we did do. Ask yourself, if Godwin produces his documents, would you believe him then?
          [8] {It would have been impossible for to have hit you with a car as she neither had a car at the time of your accusation or a liscense.} Why is this impossible? It may be *improbable*, but unless Mrs. Rutayisire was lame, it is not *impossible*.[9] {JM. On what basis do you believe Agaba??} Good question. First, I believe him because he is a refugee, on the run, with absolutely nothing to gain from telling his story. Second, why would he invent a story out of thin air about Mrs. Rutayisire? On the one hand, you have a man who Rwandan agents tried to kill, and on the other hand, you have a pastor in the hip pocket of the current regime. Who has something to lose? Third, people inside Rwanda cannot speak freely without the fear of imprisonment, torture, or worse. Once outside the country and free, we hear the truth. Anticipating your objection, I will say that there is so much evidence for this that it beggars belief that anyone could say otherwise. Godwin is in a position to speak freely, whereas the Rutayisire family could be in grave danger if they speak one word against Paul Kagame – ask Joel Mutabazi how that works. Oh, you can’t because he is in prison being tortured. Finally, Pastor Rutayisire praises Kagame and says he is not autocratic enough for his liking, and Kagame is a known killer. This calls into question the thought process of Pastor Rutayisire. Mr. Agaba, on the other hand, is candid about the evil nature of the current regime. As Stephen Smith says, we replaced one dictator (Habyiramana) with another (Kagame).
          [10] {Based on the number of allegations you throw around it is more than irresponsible journalism to not bother to go the land of the people you are attacking.} This is not journalism, it is a blog. I have not claimed otherwise. Regarding visiting Rwanda, it is expensive and my life would be in danger there, not to mention the fact that no one there can speak freely in the first place. Read this essay before you reply to me: http://www.anthropologymatters.com/index.php/anth_matters/article/view/17/23
          And we are believers in a *book* with stories from 4-6,000 years ago about people and places we can never see. We of all people should value written communication. It is valid to learn via writing, particularly when dealing with a police state such as Rwanda.
          You have been told this before, when you took Kagame’s side here: https://www.facebook.com/ONE/posts/151174241563506 I will repeat Nadine Msingaye’s entire comment to you:Jodie please…you are just an expart!!! You get in Rda rent a villa and then work with few selected victims that are trained to tell you what ever marketing fits in their strategy to promote the country!
          HUTU and TUSTI it’s even more than present than ever! Just because it’s not stated anywhere it doesn’t mean that we do not know who we are!!! The bottom of line we are who we are HUTU or TUSTI that’s not the issue, we made it an issue a very stupid ONE!!! Silence does not heal!!!
          Do you honestly think that I’m going to approach you in my country and tell you how threatened I am, how I have no idea if I will be awake the next day. DO you know what is to live day by day because your future is in the destiny of MEN? Do you have any idea of how it feels to live in fear in your own country? Can you even imagine?
          No right of ownership what so ever to your parents’ properties because they were found guilty in a GACACA court? And if the properties are not enough to cover the damages caused your labor (cultivate their land or even partially yours) is used to compensate “genocide survivors”!!! What do you tell Eric who never knew his parents his now 17 years old and has never been to school nor has any medical care!!! Where you can find him? In the NORTH near GOMA (RDC)!!!! If only talking to you would not bring him in more danger!
          Secondly: Go to the North in GISENYI/RUHENGERI precisely ask around we were wipe out by Kagame and Nyamwasa in 1997-1999 this is way after the Genocide I survived the killings and disappearing of thousands mostly poor illiterate people who hardly had a dime! Because girls do not create we only carry ! Where do I cry my own? Where is the recognition of my misery? Where can I remember them? Can you tell me this?
          RECONCILIATION???? After the genocide we had an opportunity to speak UP! Finally break the main rules of our beautiful culture (mainly hypocrisy, hide whatever we feel inside and move on). I really do not care who is on POWER but we NEED PEACE, FREEDOM and EQUALITY not all the lies and broken promises! In order for this to happen we need a clear and open dialogue whoever is gully of crimes should be behind bars.
          The wounds are not healed; my deepest fear is when they will explode.You go on: {You cant even be bothered to sit face to face in Rwanda with the men you attack Rutayisire, Rucyhana, Mbanda, Gasatura} Again, I would love to talk to them with some exiles present to counteract the tall tales they tell about Rwanda. I have spoken to Gerald Gahima, Theogene Rudasingwa, and many other exiles who were *high-ranking* officials and friends of Kagame. Are they all liars? Why is no one in PEAR USA willing to talk to them, to turn your question around? Rudasingwa was in charge of hoodwinking Westerners like you when they came to Rwanda, ask him about how it works.
          Going to Rwanda and expecting to hear the truth with “tour guides” who are DMI agents would be like going to Pyongyang and expecting to hear the truth.
          [11] {By the way your friend put himself into excile. He was not forced into exile. He went making it look like something untoward had happened.} You are an expert on Godwin Agaba and why he fled Rwanda? It is sad to me that Christians, who should side with the oppressed, instead choose to believe the oppressor. The world is littered with Rwandan refugees who can tell tales of how they fled, but I guess they are all part of a big conspiracy to lie about Paul Kagame. They should be happily in Rwanda, where all is well.
          [12] {As ypou claim to have been an AMIA ( which no longer exsists) supporter until very recently its not difficult to reach the conclusion that most if not all you write about Rwanda is reactionary using tidbits of pseudo facts mixed in with lies. } Sigh. AMiA still exists (apart from PEAR USA), and in fact M23 supporter Kolini is still part of it. It is now attached to various dioceses in Africa. It is small. I am not part of it. This blog was at the center of its downfall when I DEFENED RWANDA ENDLESSLY AGAINST CHUCK MURPHY!!!! Go back in the archives and read about it. I loved Rwanda and the Rwandan story, I was at the first “Sacred Assembly” in Raleigh, I had a hand in referring clergy for hiring, I spread the good news about Rwanda and loved the whole thing for a decade. BUT, when presented with evidence of the nature of Rwanda, I changed my mind. That is what I hope others will do. We have been fed lies and will reap a whirlwind if we do not wake up.
          The bottom line for me is that I love the truth because I love Jesus who is the Truth. When I am presented with evidence, I have to consider it and speak up. That’s what John Rucyahana claimed to teach us, with Thad Barnum, correct? “Never Silent” – ring a bell? Janani Luwum stood up to Idi Amin. We are supposed to stand up to tyrants, not lick their boots. Read some Prunier, Purdekova, Reyntjens, Thomson, Rudasingwa, Gahima, or Jason Stearns to see what we are dealing with.
          OK, I am done with a monstrously long comment. I have made it because I am trying to have a conversation, which means answering your questions and laying out my reasoning. I am not interested in replies that ignore evidence, are hysterical, illogical, unbiblical, change the subject, etc. I have approved almost all of your comments to date, but I make no guarantee that I will in the future. Good day to you.Reply
  5. Rutayisire JovanisApril 22, 2014 at 8:09 amActually you are JM not JKReply
  6. Rutayisire JovanisApril 23, 2014 at 9:42 amSo now the only accusation left is that he applauded the president? Why don’t you look in that picture and you will notice that even the Archbishop himself was applauding too? So why didn’t you pick on him and you decided to write about Antoine Rutayisire?
    We have not seen Agaba’s papers not because he lost them or something else but because they were never there.
    My dear mother has never driven a car, and she has never worked in Remera. And she has never knocked anyone.
    I kindly ask you to stop going against my parents because they have done nothing wrong. If anything, they have given their everything to help rebuild our country.
    Please find someone else’s reputation to tarnish.Reply
    • JMApril 23, 2014 at 2:01 pmNissi, no, that is not the only accusation left. I believe Godwin, I am just saying that it would be nice if he also could provide those papers.
      As far as singling out your father for criticism, far from it. If you read this blog, you will see that I have called out Rwaje, Mbanda, Rucyahana, Ahimana, Gasatura and others. See this for example. It is the duty of all Christians in Rwanda, particularly their leaders, to speak up about the evils carried out by the DMI, the RPA, the police, M23, and Paul Kagame himself.Reply
  7. Godwin AgabaApril 23, 2014 at 9:32 pmAnyway have given time this issue to pass but the recent comments from the family of Pastor Rutayisire made me to comment again, someone was to take away my life and the family is living in denials… God have mercy ! but I wish I could have Rutayisire’s wife on board. I request Pastor and your daughter to tell her to break the silence and come up we begin from there…. If indeed she was driving without a license this is again becoming a disaster as its claimed by Pastor that she doesn’t know how to drive ….am waiting for her..God blessReply
    • Jodie SargentApril 29, 2014 at 12:25 pmGodwin PRODUCE the police report that gives evidence. Give the name of the police officer who investigated the ALLEGED incidence. Unless you are willing to give more than your word you are spitting in the wind. I have known the Rutayisire family for many years and am actually a member f the family. Penina is easily one of the most honest and gracious people I have ever met. A woman of integrity like Penina wou;d not say she didnt do something if she did. It would have been impossible for to have hit you with a car as she neither had a car at the time of your accusation or a liscense. With out accusing you of being less than a man of integrity what you accuse Penina of is simply NOT true and along witj Jovanis I am insisting that your SLANDER stop. Im also sugggesting that Jovanis stop rresponding to you but as she loves her family I suspect if you make more ridiculous baseless unproven allegations she will continue to speak upReply
  8. Rutayisire JovanisApril 24, 2014 at 5:55 amGodwin, i repeat one more time that my mother did not run you over. Just like Joel said, you should provide the papers. Before you do, stop accusing innocent people.
    Joel, i have no idea what you have against my parents. This is my last comment here. Am done trying to prove my point. God in heaven is the judge of all and He surely will put an end to this.Reply
  9. An ObserverApril 24, 2014 at 7:11 pmI’m not sure there are papers, if events are as describe, or that a daughter is the most objective person to determine guilt or innocence of parents. In ultimate justice, I am convinced, but how God will decide is far from sure from our current vantage point.HOWEVER, the point JM was making seems to been lost in trial-by-blog between individuals, that is the Church is not speaking truth to power, being salt, in Rwanda. I am less sure that JM where I would place individual blame for those failings. Yet seven years ago, a friend in the US Dept of State, responded in a conversation on hearing of parish where this event will be occurring, “Kagame, a hero or the next African strongman tyrannical dictator? There’s evidence for both.” He is a Christian and this snippet happen in a Bible study at another Anglican parish. While JM reports finding a dismissive attitude because of source of documents being from UN reports, below is a link to US Dept. reports (since so many at said parish have been employed with US State Dept. maybe might have some credibility):http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/hrrpt/humanrightsreport/index.htm?year=2013&dlid=220149#wrapperReply
  10. An ObserverApril 24, 2014 at 8:06 pmAs a follow up, I do find it fascinating that “A Living Text” has not only Rwandan professors, also children of Rwandan presbyters and dissenting journalists commenting.I found this blog again after an irregular ordination proved to be just that by an Abandonment of Communion – Anglicanism was just a job and not a conversion because he thought its distinctives were correct. Around that time JM and myself found ourselves different sides of issues in the AMiA/PEARUSA split (I really did not have as much of a dog in the fight as the one I did have issues was signing public statement and using arguments in a hypocritical fashion [meaning telling me something was wrong but eighteen months later doing same or similar action]. I did not know (probably a gift of Grace, to allow me shake the dust off my feet and find a convert presbyter who’s “more Anglican then the ABC” type) that JM would be disillusioned by PEARUSA with in a years time. I went looking for “A Living Text” again after above someone returned to probably where they truly belongs, honestly, for any inside information (having an interim rector who’s close to PEARUSA head power structure either means PEARUSA is Continuing Church tiny or something interesting happened). I also discovered the blog gone through two different hosts names since I last read it.My point to that above story is that I was ultimately vindicated when someones actions, despite what they said four years ago, proved me correct. Sometimes the most compelling items that lends credence to JM’s articles are the actions of his detractors.Reply
  11. JMApril 25, 2014 at 1:01 amI am working on a book outlining the history of AMiA / PEAR USA / GAFCON at a high level and looking at the theological problems of being allied with churches in functional dictatorships like Rwanda and Uganda.
    As you point out, I was a huge supporter of both AMiA and PEAR USA from 2004 until last year. Those who don’t know me should understand this, I did not start out trying “to get” Rwanda. I was a massive Rwanda supporter. It was only when I was presented with mounting evidence of evil on the part of bishops and the Rwandan government that I changed my mind. And even then, it was mainly because of the absurd non-reaction of local clergy and bishops (Steve Breedlove in particular) to clear evidence of evil that I lost all confidence in PEAR USA and GAFCON more broadly. The whole project is built on shifting sand. Hearing preachers praise Dietrich Bonhoeffer and then stay silent when it is “their turn” to do something is revolting to me.Reply
  12. Antoine RutayisireApril 27, 2014 at 6:22 pmJM, it is not by insulting people that you will bring transformation. Picking up fights with people you don’t know may simply be another quixotic enterprise. Jesus sent me to serve a nation and if he gave you the mission to set right every wrong around you and far, let’s stick to our respective callings and give me a break with your liar of a protege who gets hit by a woman who does not drive, does not own a car and has never lived in the neighborhood where he was hit (if ever he was). Let’s leave final judgement to who it belongs to and let’s be at peace. What do you know about Rwanda anyway? What do you know about its problems? How many people do you know there?Reply
    • JMApril 28, 2014 at 5:58 pmPastor, I have not insulted anyone, nor have I picked fights. I am doing what the Bible tells us to do, and exposing the truth to those who do not otherwise hear it. You should look to Janani Luwum and speak up for those tortured by the DMI, assassinated and killed. After all, according to this blog, you said:
      “The Church’s main problem was that it lacked consistency. It preached love, yet supported regimes that discriminated against people. It wouldn’t risk speaking out against injustice.”
      And yet, you support a man who invades the DRC, imprisons his political opponents, and kills others abroad. Pastor, speak out against injustice for Kizito Mihigo, Victoire Ingabire, the Bagogwe forced into M23, and many others such as Seth Sendashonga! To operate in the light, you should come to America and tell all your audiences that Kagame is not autocratic enough for your liking, as you said in 2006. You have not spoken one word about Kagame in your comments here.
      As for what I know about Rwanda, read back in my blog and you will see. The volume of printed material about Rwanda far surpasses that of the Bible, based on which we know of God’s law and covenants with us.
      What do I know about Rwanda’s problems? A great deal, and I am speaking up to Anglicans to get them to stand for justice, not repeating the mistakes of the church before the genocide. Look to Bishop Zac Niringiye in Uganda for a model with Luwum and speak up!
      How many people do I know there? I cannot tell you that or they might be in trouble with the DMI! I know many, many exiles, all of whom have fled to preserve their lives. Would you be willing to meet them when you are in the United States to talk to them about Kagame? I can arrange a meeting.Reply
  13. An ObserverApril 28, 2014 at 5:19 pmRev. Rutayisire, on the contrary, JM seemed to found a very effective way for a “horn blast” to be heard, if he’s been tasked with being a watchman. Your presence makes logical sense, your daughter could have pointed it out to you. However, her, the professor and two opposition posters is very intriguing. No offense to the author of this blog, I always considered it “two bit,” obviously I was in error, by the affect it has getting Rwandans to respond (not so much on the Russians, I suspect they may operate on a different paradigm).Does kind of beg the question, “who is the audience” for the Rwandan? These “have you ever been to Rwanda,” or on the other thread when ask if a commenter knows about X was replied, “yes, I’ve traveled to Rwanda many times.” The question should be has he traveled to America, for to an American these responses are illogical and irrelevant, though I can see these being very culturally meaningful in another context.
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    On related, but different note: these threads do give evidence the WSJ OpEd were deadon that Obama needs to extend the control of the Internet root directories for four more years.Reply
  14. Jodie SargentApril 29, 2014 at 12:41 pmJM. On what basis do you believe Agaba?? By your seeming admission you have never actually taken time to visit Rwanda. Based on the number of allegations you throw around it is more than irresponsible journalism to not bother to go the land of the people you are attacking. You cant even be bothered to sit face to face in Rwanda with the men you attack Rutayisire, Rucyhana, Mbanda, Gasatura ( all of whom I have the privilege of knowing and Im not even Anglican). Presumably you are not willing top meet with Rwandans who actually live in Rwanda to find out more accurate information. By the way your friend put himself into excile. He was not forced into exile. He went making it look like something untoward had happened.Reply
  15. An ObserverApril 29, 2014 at 1:32 pmRE: “By your seeming admission you have never actually taken time to visit Rwanda.”Who are you trying to convince? If you’re afraid other Rwandans will find this blog and trying to engage in a very culturally specific way, (your real target audience being those in Rwanda with English/Computer skills) then that would make sense, however I already said above your logic means little in the West. It like saying I know nothing of Mars since I’ve not been or the Moon, I’ve only met Mike Collins, who orbited the moon. Victorian England would be served better by joining Dr. Livingston, but they did read his diary, I do have data transmitted from orbit of Mercy, Venus (and believe the Soviet Verna 12 lander photos), Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. I was personally in the room for news conferences of Voyager 2 Uranus and Neptune encounters, but do not insist you had to be to know something. Gus Weiss did not need to travel to Soviet Union to develop the “Take Down Strategy” when he had the “Farewell Dossier.” Now if in a context of LDC, I can see where unless there is a high literacy rate and access to information also mobility then this repeated use of demand for no secondary source information might be meaningful, but in a context of superpower, which past/potential adversaries are closed societies in which “human intelligence” is only one source and manage to find locate and take out the FBI “Most Wanted” without relying on the demands you’ve placed …

    LONG/SHORT the Rwandans are actually digging themselves deeper into a hole to a Western audience. If we’re not the primary audience and all this is for in-country consumption than it makes sense. However, just as Americans, we can make a real some real cultural mistakes (such as offering or left hand is Islamic country or touching a child on the head in Cambodia) it would serve the Rwandan to make there point better by learning some cultural understanding of America. This continued reliance on only traveling to Rwanda is silly to an American. It’s like telling me I know nothing of France for never traveling there, my friend who was in Paris would have a better understanding, but to say I have no understanding is actually insulting and makes your case harder to win me to your side. By the Way, having grown up in the two mile instant blast zone of a target SS-18, I’m rather happy Gus Weiss did not need to travel to the USSR to know something about Russia.Reply
  16. An ObserverApril 29, 2014 at 1:46 pmRE:”It like saying I know nothing of Mars since I’ve not been or the Moon, I’ve only met Mike Collins, who orbited the moon. ”Should read:”It like saying I know nothing of the Moon since I’ve not been or the Moon, I’ve only met Mike Collins, who orbited the moon.”I was going to use Mars, with a link to JPL raw data feed of either rover, but decided to change since I met Collins on the flight back from STS-6 launch (but too chicken to ask for his autograph).Reply
  17. Jodie SargentApril 29, 2014 at 2:40 pmHaving read your stuff here JM its clear what you are trying to do is gain popularity for your BLOG You are not in any understanding of the word a journalist if you were you would have made an effort to get at the issues from ore than just the side that confirms your world view. As ypou claim to have been an AMIA ( which no longer exsists) supporter until very recently its not difficult to reach the conclusion that most if not all you write about Rwanda is reactionary using tidbits of pseudo facts mixed in with lies. Congratulations on attracting more people to your BLOG. I seriously doubt anything of any sort of value long term will result other than that for the reason that you have approached your subject in the manner that excludes objective truthReply
    • An ObserverApril 29, 2014 at 9:22 pmJust for the record, I’ll vouch for the author having being a major supporter of Rwanda and PEAR USA. In fact we found ourselves on opposite sides of that issue and this was the blog in which the first “Washington Statement” was released (thus he’d know AMiA does not exist anymore). If you read two years back, you can find that on these very pages, he’s imported everything from the other hosts (however, we hashed it out on another blog, I only began commenting here when things went so surreal).It seems around August of 2012, with disturbing report from AnglicanLink that he’s changed his mind and begun fact finding through various sources. So yes, you have an individual who changed his mind, I have gone round and round with him in the past. He can hold his own and does not need me to defend, but the hypocritical slander is one I can rebut fairly quickly.Reply
      • JMApril 29, 2014 at 10:18 pmCorrect. I am not coming from some “enemy of Rwanda” position. I warned my local clergy about Rwanda as early as 2008 but was politely blown off. I did not “get it” until 2012 when the reports of Kolini and Rucyahana supporting M23 came out, which caused an avalanche of investigation on my part.Reply
      • An ObserverApril 29, 2014 at 10:27 pmRE: Jodie SargentOH, It’s that Jodie Sargent …. then he knows who you are and he knows you’re importance and the importance of this blog from the AMiA split. I remember him QUITE well from his verbose and attack style of Facebook back then. That REALLY begs many questions, for being in the US, he ought to know how Anthony Weiner’s come back bid went down the toilet when he went back into that Deli to argue. I guess even living in another nation does not mean you understand the culture!Reply
  18. Jodie SargentApril 30, 2014 at 10:34 amJM: Pastor Rutayisire is in DC until tomorrow. He would very much like to meet with you. If you are interested in that let me know and I will pass on the number he can be reached on.Reply
    • JMApril 30, 2014 at 10:54 amI have his email address and he can always comment here. Any meeting I have with him will be:
      A. Recorded.
      B. Accompanied by Rwandans such as Theogene Rudasingwa, Gerald Gahima and Joseph Sebarenzi.Reply
  19. Jodie SargentApril 30, 2014 at 3:58 pm[Comment deleted.]
    You seem to be having trouble following an argument. Re-read this: “OK, I am done with a monstrously long comment. I have made it because I am trying to have a conversation, which means answering your questions and laying out my reasoning. I am not interested in replies that ignore evidence, are hysterical, illogical, unbiblical, change the subject, etc. I have approved almost all of your comments to date, but I make no guarantee that I will in the future.”
    And this http://alivingtext.com/some-thoughts-on-conversation/
    Particularly:
    “1. A conversation requires that we answer each other. If I take the time to respond to everything you say and then you ignore what I just wrote and move to something different, we are not having a conversation.
    2. If a sentence has a question mark after it, answer it! Unless the question is obviously rhetorical, then answer it. That strikes me as a fundamental and polite way of talking *to* each other and not past each other.”Since you feel no obligation to listen to me, but simply shout back at me, your comments will keep getting deleted. A conversation is not you seem interested in having.Reply
  20. An ObserverMay 7, 2014 at 4:44 pmI find it interesting that there was so much activity from Rwandans here leading up to the one event but they’ve seemed to completely drop away now that event has passed.Reply
    • JMMay 7, 2014 at 4:47 pmYes, and if you listen to Rutayisire’s sermon from Church of the Advent, he now sells himself as a victim of blogs, without ever having defended himself regarding his association with a dictator.

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